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Well I had two of the all plastic intakes replaced my gt (38k, and 68k). Both times it the replacement part was the latest and greatest that the dealer had at the time (and all plastic). Then in august of 03 with 105k on odo the third manifold cracked right up through the thermostat housing. I did a little quick research on the manifold and found out that there was a new one available with an aluminum cross over.
I called a local (not the closest Holman) dealer and spoke to the SM. I asked him if this was still coved since they last replaced the manifold at 68k and he agreed to give me a OWE on "only" the manifold replacement job. Then I asked him if it would still be the all plastic one and he said yeah, that was what they were still putting on the cars since the had some in stock.
I hung up the phone called another dealer, got the intake with install kit and put it in myself.
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OK, so I saw this, got excited, and called my local Ford dealer, Sarasota Ford. Got to the service manager.....she didn't know about it. She said she called the district manager. He has not heard of the suit or a settlement.
So, the question now becomes, since I recently (about a month ago) had my intake replaced with the new one with the aluminum front area, now what? Is there a place to find the settlement agreement? Anybody to contact? What now?
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More info, for what it is worth:
I searched the net a bit (God, I love the internet), and found a link to email the lawfirm that is handling the suit, and emailed them. Here is their contact information:
Renee S. Smith, Paralegal
Cunningham, Bounds, Yance, Crowder
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Mobile, Alabama 36660
Phone: 251-471-6191
They said the suit will be finalized in September, and then they will send notices on how to file a claim.
Just thought you'd like to know!

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i'm in the middle of filing a bbb complaint against fomoco....doubt it will do any good, but i want them to know that i think it's f-ing STUPID that the settlement that they made in 2005 only retroactively provides 7 years of warranty coverage....which only takes us back to vehicles that are 1998 and newer. BUT, the lawsuit was for vehicles 1996-2001. i think it's a crock. i called the ford customer satisfaction line, and said that i wanted to lodge a complaint. i told the guy my problem and asked how long it would be before someone contacted me, and he said that unless they had any questions or wanted additional info, that nobody WOULD contact me. i said
me: "so basically you're just writing it down?"
him: "yes, ma'am, that's what we do."
me: "so who do i speak to that can actually DO something about this?"
him: "huh?"
me: "okay, so you WRITE CUSTOMER PROBLEMS DOWN. can you give me the number of the person that FIXES CUSTOMER PROBLEMS?"
him: ".............(silence)....................... .."
me: "nevermind."
so while it may not get me anywhere, the call really irritated me, and i'm good at bitching.....so bitch i will.

Well, Bitch away!!! I'll be waiting and watching with baited breath because this intake manifold thing is big shti. Still don't see why ford made "plasting" intakes in the first place. Good luck to all involved in this.

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What are some symptoms to look out for on a cracked intake?

I had a 97 gt, and it not only cracked, but it blew a chunk out and spewed antifreeze all over my altenator. It was very obvious when it did. I would say any other symptom to keep your self aware if is to just the general smell of hot antifreeze on the engine. Its an obvious smell. The ford dealership informed me that there was a recall on it and they fixed it free of charge. Even paid the towing.
I inquired about the intake when I purchased my 99 last year. They said that it did not have the recall and was not likely to bust. Anybody know wether this is truth or not. Should I check with a different dealer or call ford directly.


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No recall as far as I know, but not likely to bust?????? I have a 2000 Saleen, which is a GT engine with pullies, a filter, and a reprogrammed computer. Mine broke. You do the math.

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so far my 98 GT is holding up. It has K miles on it.


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I consider you fortunate......mine had 51K on her when she let go. I'm the 20th person I know who had their intake break. And I'd like my money back, that's for sure.

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I have 107K on my 99 and so far I haven't had a problem with it cracking, but I had to replace the intake manifold gasket about 4 times before it finally stopped seeping coolant into the valley, but I still don't feel very comfortable with the product. Seems like a cheaply engineered POS to me. My 97 busted on me at 60K miles.


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I have a 99 GT and it's cracked at the thermostat housing....just over 63,000 miles. I'm going to talk to the ford service manager on Monday.
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so far my 98 GT is holding up. It has K miles on it.

i swapped my 96 @89000 miles not because of failure but performance...but don't think i won't try to cash in if i can
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You folks with the 99+ cars have different intakes anyway than us pre-99 guys--you have the PI intakes.

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You folks with the 99+ cars have different intakes anyway than us pre-99 guys--you have the PI intakes.

My intake is plastic and it has cracked at the thermostat housing in my 99 GT.
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I have a 2000 GT with 68K and it hasn't crack yet. Good to know what I have to look forward to. :-(

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My intake is plastic and it has cracked at the thermostat housing in my 99 GT.

Ours crack at the crossover, letting coolant into the plug wells.
Has anyone successfully gotten this settlement retroactively applied to an already-completed repair yet?

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Dumb question.
Is this the same type of intake that ford uses on All 4.6 AND OR 5.4
If so, would this failure happen to all,exp. F150, and could be a major $$
problem for ford. Just wondering and praying for mine.

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What if you have a boosted mustang? Does it matter?
I'm getting the feeling that it will crack soon enough.
BTW, another turbo stang spewing on first startup... they tightened the temp sensor a little too much
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Dumb question.
Is this the same type of intake that ford uses on All 4.6 AND OR 5.4
If so, would this failure happen to all,exp. F150, and could be a major $$
problem for ford. Just wondering and praying for mine.

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Ford has agreed to settle lawsuits filed agaist it due to cracking intake manifolds on certain 1996-2001 4.6L engines. The engines are found in: Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Car, Mustang, Cougar and Thunderbird models.

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I don't think my 99 has cracked but it is seeping at the head under the thermostat housing. A major design flaw in this area is not corrected by the aluminum crossover. Ford used the same bolts to hold the thermostat housing and the manifold to head torque. Changing the thermostat results in loosening the torque on the crossover to head area and will most likely continue to cause leaks and needs for changing the manifold gasket. They should have offset the thermostat housing fasteners so removing it would not effect the manifold torque.

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yes, i read the link and ford did not change the manifold until the 2001 model year. If they are going to settle the lawsuit, it seems this must really be a design problem, esp. since the new ones use metal, instead of plastic where the problem. What if ford was forced to recall all 4.6's with the old intake and replace them? With the millions of trucks on the road using 4.6 and 5.4
how would that hit the bottom line?
And do you think ford is going to call all of us in to replace or refund repair money? I don't think so.
And do you wonder why ford changed it?

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No I don't wonder why ford changed it, the plastic crossover was a stupid idea proven by the hundreds (if not hundreds of thousands) they had to replace under warantee.
Hell, no manufacturer ever wants to admit that they have a poorly designed part causing millions of dollars in warrantee repairs. So they just sat on it for as long as they possibly could, until it was obvious that they could not stay with the all plastic design forever.

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For those interested, there is a new 4.6 aluminum intake identical to the 99+ PI intake that will soon be available for under 0 from www.Hiperformancesolutions.com. It looks exactly like our intake but made from aluminum which can be extruded, ported, etc. I intend to purchase one, just wanted to spread the word. Go to the website and check it out and get on the e mail list and the designer Bob Harding will answer questions if you have any. He responds quickly. Hope this helps with our "woes".
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Did Ford Corporate say "Class members" when defining who would get paid back?
I think most people who had problems will be covered (based on my minimal experience as a lawyer dealing with class action suits):
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=49290
"All persons living in the United States who own or lease (or owned or lease) a Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury between 1996 and 2002 could potentially be a Class Member. The cars must be equipped with a 4.6-liter, 2-valve V-8 engine having a composite air intake manifold as original equipment."
In a class action law suit, you have lead plaintiffs who are the ones who actually go throught the legal process and you have class members who are the ones the lead plaintiffs are suing on behalf of. In the beginning stages of the class action lawsuit, plaintiffs must come up with a class definition defining who is a member of the class. The court will then certify or approve the class definition. So, my point is, even if you never were notified about the law suit and never had anything to do with the law suit, you may still be a class member. Once the court approves the settlement, they will release the exact definition of a class member. From reading the news release posted above, it seems like class members include all those listed above in quotations. So if you fit in that category, you should get paid. Everybody needs to wait until the settlement is finalized and approved by the court before they can really know if they will get paid back.

Does this cover second owners? I called a an 800 number shortly after I bought it that I believe was at Ford. I cannot find the site that had the number. Anybody ahve where to call to verify this. I remember giving her my VIN and all and said it had already been replaced by the original dealer on a Service Bulletin that ran out in 5 years which was 04. So there is a history by our VIN that the Dealers should have? If they replaced it they put the same friggin plastic coolant crossover type on it! This is not a fix. I now am at about 82k which is probably getting close to the 60k point of life that they become geysers. Like most uf us I would rather have 735.00 to put towards the PI Manny and other stuff.
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I don't think my 99 has cracked but it is seeping at the head under the thermostat housing. A major design flaw in this area is not corrected by the aluminum crossover. Ford used the same bolts to hold the thermostat housing and the manifold to head torque. Changing the thermostat results in loosening the torque on the crossover to head area and will most likely continue to cause leaks and needs for changing the manifold gasket. They should have offset the thermostat housing fasteners so removing it would not effect the manifold torque.

Mine has started seeping at the thermostat housing and running into the plugs also. It was doing this when I bought it and they replaced the gasket and got it to stop leaking. They told me that the intake was NOT covered on any recall. I argued with them, but they insisted that it wasn't. They had got the seepage stopped, so I let it go. As I have mentioned, it has started leaking again, and they say that the repair bill will be on me now. Seems pretty crappy to me.


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This looks like the right web site on this subject.
http://www.fordmanifoldsettlement.com/

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This site has the most complete information I've found on this lawsuit despite the hideous background it at least gives addresses for the judge and counsels.
http://www.flamingfords.info/manifoldSettlement.html

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Man, when I first read this thread I was thinking I was going to get some $ back. I doubt I would since A) the mustang was not repaired at a Ford dealership, and B) I am not the original owner, I am the second owner.
The intake in my 96 GT had been leaking for years, gradually getting worse until I was terrified to drive it but, I didn't have the money to replace it at the time. I took it to Ford for the recall a few years earlier, but they didn't put the replacement part on it, but said they did.
I took my car to a shop last November/December and had the intake replaced, it cost about 0 bucks. The person who worked on it confirmed that the part had never been touched. It sure would have been nice to get this money back, as I need to make yet another tuition payment at the end of the month. If it is too good to be true then it probably is. Damn!

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From what I read at these sites, it doesn't look like it matters about ownership or where you had the work done, just that they are limiting it to 7 years after the car first rolled off the dealer's lot.

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Yeah the lady at Ford that I called said it was a 7 years so 04 was when I had a shot to do it. The problem is that they will only do an NPI on an NPI with the aluminum crossover. I will probably have to buck up 300.00 for the PI swap and do it myself.

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my 99GT with 67K makes this hiss/pssshhh when I drive next to curbs and medians, any chance a cracked intake could be making this noise?

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Any hiss/pssssshh could be the sound of air escaping, which could be the result of a cracked intake. Check for other things like overheating and/or coolant lost.

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post #68 of 277 Old 08-14-2005, 04:00 PM

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Yeah the lady at Ford that I called said it was a 7 years so 04 was when I had a shot to do it. The problem is that they will only do an NPI on an NPI with the aluminum crossover. I will probably have to buck up 300.00 for the PI swap and do it myself.


you can find a PI intake here or e-bay for 125 shipped and the parts from randy on MD for around 75.
sorry to hijack. I need to call my dealership to get my info so that i have it when this stuff is finalized.
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Well, once the deal is finalized we'll see what we can squeeze out of Ford. I thought I saw September 30 being bandied about as the date.

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